Legalized Abortion
is a Civil Liberties centric issue
Is Abortion Better Than the Alternative?
Let's take a stab at abortion, one of the many topics under the domain of "Female Reproductive Rights."
Firstly, if I were to have a daughter, and she became pregnant at a young age, I would expect her to carry through with the consequences of her actions. I feel, however, that many people in America simply cannot support a child, be it the first child of a young girl or an additional child of a poor family. For this reason, I support abortion. I also feel that it is shameful that, in the richest nation in the world, that we have to engage in discussion about whether of not people are in a "position" to have a child.
Secondly, my view of abortion leads me to believe that it is a terribly hard choice for pregnant women. Abortions are not "impulse buys." If a woman is going to get an abortion, she will get it in a sanitary medical clinic, or, if those are outlawed, she will employ unscrupulous strangers in alleyways to perform the procedure using unconventional, unsanitary medical equipment. This will lead to the deaths of many women, and the fetuses inside them. Not that Pat Robertson would care; In his opinion, these women were immoral enough to engage in out-of-marriage intercourse, and I'll bet he thinks they deserve to die.
(Before you write angry responses to the above sentence, please understand that my comment was targeted only at Mr. Robertson. The vast majority of pro-lifers, including you, do not fall into his category, and I understand that you have much better reasons for not supporting abortion. He's in a league all his own.)
All in all, I hate abortion. But I hate the fact that we need it more. We need, as a nation, to make decisions that will reduce the need for this awful procedure. Until then, abortion should be, in the words of former president Clinton, "Safe, legal and rare."
What I find shameful is that Americans seem to believe that poverty is worse than death! I agree, of course, that it's not an easy choice. The pro-life movement must focus as much on making alternatives available, informing women about the dangers of abortion, etc. as on legislation. Also, contrary to popular belief, the Roe v Wade decision didn't have an impact on maternal deaths from abortion in the United States. Check out the graph- http://abortionfacts.com/online_books/love_them_both/why_cant_we_love_them_both_27.asp#illegal
You can't die if you were never born. And if you people are serious about preventing abortion, why are you constantly fighting sex ed and contraception? PS if you really think the Bible opposes abortion, go read Numbers.
Take your "logic" to its logical conclusion. Since an embryo is human and alive it must be saved at all costs. Now, follow the logic: sperm and ova are human and alive, so bang! No contraception. Since hair is human and alive, no more haircuts. No fingernail trimming, no tonsillectomies, no appendectomies which save thousands of lives annually, no gall bladder removals. Rotten and abcessed teeth -- leave em in. Let's party like it's 1499!
IF THE FAMILY IS POOR THEN HOW WILL THEY AFFORD THE PROCEDURE ON DECEMBER 17, 2007 I LOST MY BABY GIRL DUE TO A DOCTOR SAYING THAT MY WIFE WAS NOT IN LABOR AND THEN WAITED EIGHT AND A HALF HOURS TO DO THE C SECTION AND GET HER OUT! I WANTED HER SO BAD TO COME OUT OK BUT SHE WAS DEAD SHE DIDN'T EVEN GET TO TAKE A LITTLE BREATH OF AIR THE DOCTORS NAME IS DONALD R LOVELACE WITH INDIAN PATH MEDICAL CENTER IN KINGSPORT TENNESSEE PART OF MOUNTAIN STATES HEALTH ALLIANCE. WHAT I AM TRING TO GET TO IS THAT IF YOU DON'T WANT A CHILD DON'T HAVE SEX WITH SOMEONE IF YOU DO GET PREGNANT THEM HAVE IT AND PUT IT UP FOR ADOPTION THERE ARE ALOT OF FAMILIES THAT WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A CHILD THAT CAN'T BUT JUST BECAUSE THE GIRL WANTS TO BE A SLUT THEN SHE DESERVES TO GET PREGNANT AND HAVE IT
HelloDollyLlama says:
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blockquote>"You can't die if you were never born. And if you people are serious about preventing abortion, why are you constantly fighting sex ed and contraception? PS if you really think the Bible opposes abortion, go read Numbers.
YOU NEED TO LISTEN TO A HEART BEAT OF A BABY STILL IN THE MOTHERS BELLY BEATING A DOUBLE THE RATE OF THE MOTHERS THE KICK WHEN ITS DADDY TALKS TO IT SO DONT'T SIT THERE AND SAY THAT A CHILD CAN'T DIE UNLESS IT IS BORN
Auh where to start??? lol its so simple we cant see the forest for the man made deforestation???it all begins at home yes in the home before a child is 5 years of age. What was the child taught?? what did that child see or was allowed to see???how was the child disciplined... Fact of the matter garbage in garbage out, a childs mind is just like a computor with a hell've learning curve, they live by what they see, hear, smell and taste, not to mention their spirititual experiences if any at all????and a 4-5 year old will not lie unless told to do so???if you dont catch them before the age of 5 youve virtually lost them...With all that said how can any of you expect anything else??? you reap what you sow, you refuse to teach that which you know is right. Instead you shove blatent debotchry in the childs face?? you pass out condums, sex ed. at public schools at the lowest levels possible, drugs sold at public schools, Fed fund Abortion clinics on every curb, homosexuality?? hell why not public abortions performed in the public school forums?? i mean comon folks, if we gonna do it lets throw the whole of the lot down the drain completely???USA is in a BASSACKWARD mode???Did you know that what i was told about China's current abortion debacle??that because of their disdane of female babies they have aborted over twice as many female babies in the last 20 years that the males living now are having an almost impossible time finding mates to procreate???and when they do most of the babies born are MALES or go into natural abortions or still born?!?!?!? hola cow sounds like mothernature is pissed???and DNA tweakin has determined disasterous?? sooner or later nature will require it somehwere down the line????in one form or the other you cant fool mother-nature...this ant got anything to do with religion its pruely biological, fact of the matter this is what the religious or fundamentalist learned the hard way???. Just keep messin with mothernature and not teaching future generation right(you know whats right deep inside) see what happens, its not a matter of if it happens , its a matter of "WHEN", mother-nature happens to changes her course, if we continue on this path....
Abortion will happen regardless of it being legal or not, the only difference is women don't have to die or be permanently mutilated when it's legal. Teenagers will have sex whether they are taught proper contraceptive methods or not, the only difference is those that are taught proper sex habits won't get pregnant and won't get STD's. It's fighting against the tide if you think you can keep kids from having sex. Instead people should teach their children the difficulties of STD's and pregnancy, how to prevent the two and the value of taking sex seriously and saving it for serious monogamous relationships. A kid that treats sex with the proper respect and understands that an abortion is something they don't want to have to go through (but that they can if they choose to and have to) is the best people can hope for. To try and fight for an extreme of no sex no abortions will lead only to a backlash of more unprotected sex and more gruesome backstreet abortions.
The choice is not whether or not to abort a child. The CHOICE is whether or not to have sex. No one HAS to have sex.
And what the heck is with people thinking that the choice is abortion or raising a child you don't want or can't afford? Adoption is a beautiful way to bless a child and a couple longing for a child. Over 40,000 couples are waiting for a baby at any given time in the US.
If you don't want a baby, don't have sex. There are lots of ways to amuse yourself - read, go for a jog, masturbate.
Well, youthpastornoel, I would assume you support abstinence only sexual education. While I am not the sort to encourage women to abort unwanted child I do not feel that I have the right to tell that same woman that she does not have an option of whether or not to have a child. I think that women should be educated to alternatives of abortion and that the pregnant woman should be aware of options but on the same token this woman should have the right to have the abortion in the safest cleanest way possible.
HelloDolly - You score again. Many have posted like comments to yours. In this case you are consistant, and factual. Biological intinct, yes, we are animals, why do we think we can do away with nature? Bible pounding moralist, they don't even live according to their own book. To impose that crap on the rest of us is scank sorry.
It was also mentioned above about the "slut". I truely feel sorry for you. You and people like yourself are a disgrace to human intellegence. Apes have more scence.
icmthejudge - your comment on teaching at a young age I agree with, to a point. If we are going to teach, let's at least teach them the total truth, not just part truths. Partial education is worst that none. At least with no education you have an excuse. Partial education makes a complete FOOL out of the child and the ones who call themselves teaching them. INCLUDING PARENTS with their half truth, self rightousness. The rest of your comments are babble, the bulk of which is not going to help create true answers to anything.
obamahater - you have a long way to go before you should be allowed to be turned loose on society.
youthpastornoel - Step into reality. Adoptions are not that easy to do. We have so many regulations controling this that it makes it hard to pull it off. You can't adopt if you're this, or that. You don't make triple digit income. You don't live in the right neighborhood. Parrenting classes - even for those who have raised perfectly fine children of their own already. Parenting is one of the most natural things there is. It's built into our systems. We just have a nation of DAFT people.
AvengingTiki - I expect more out of you than "monogamous", give us a break and get real.
Point is - Abortion is an emotional hot button to keep us from pouncing on issues that severly effect the lives of every family in the country. I don't agree with abortion for any old reason one can come up with. There are health issues and the like when they should be allowed. Each case taken on it's own merit. It is not a blanket issue, never has been, never will be.
Ronaldvandevender-I think that you bring up some very good points but I am worried about your last statement. I believe that this has to be a blanket issue. If not the government would have the right to say, "You may have an abortion due to health concerns," Then to another, "You cannot have an abortion, your reasons for not wanting a child is only based on your age and desire not to have children." This puts the moral judgement in the hands of an official, not in the individual. I believe the government should leave abortion legal, make it as safe as possible, offer education and options to individuals but leave the final moral judgement up to the individual.
Youthpastornoel, read my blog on "Abortion Meat". I have found that the pro-abortionists are as entrenched in there beliefs as we are. My "Abortion Meat" blog proved to be very revealing to me about how some of these people think. Comments began to fly out of left field like "GOD IS DEAD!" and "your God is flawed".
I know I am going to start another liberal fire-frenzy when I say this but... I think that to be pro-abortion you must be either devoid of soul or demonically possessed of some sort. One person said in my blog or the other popular one that despite seeing pictures of chopped up babies he was still all for our "choice" to do that.
I think I will, as someone suggested, try bringing my "proposal" to the national level.
ffdesmond - I think you misunderstood my comment on taking each case on it's own merit. I am a firm believer that we should keep abortion legal and safe as possible. My comment about not being a blanket issue was simply that the government should not lay down laws stating that someone has to fall under certain criteria to be allowed to seek an abortion. Personally I don't agree with abortion as a means of selective birth control, but it's not my place to lay that down on someone and say they can't. I hope this has cleared up my comment for you. I belive we are on the same page, just the wording may have thrown you off a bit. Niner - as for your comment that someone suggested you bring your "proposal" to the national level. You need to learn to read and comprehend. I was the one who mentioned that on your sick, proverse post on fetus eating. What I said was I wondered if you were STUPID ENOUGH to do so. Apparently you are. I have a 7 yr old granddaughter who lives with me who is much more intelligent than you are. One more thing niner. With your comment about HelloDolly's ridiculous stats. FACT - 43% of the population of this country worship Pagan religions. A lot of them show up at the christian churches to go through the motions and keep people off track (closet pagans) just as gays did for a so long. The reason is the treatment which they would recieve. I was one of those for a long time myself. Now I could care less what people like you think of me. I am Wiccan and proud of it.
