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309east (2)
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posted 287 days, 15 hours, 36 minutes ago
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'Money' tab, very questionable data, unfactual.

http://www.politicalbase.com/people/ron-paul/15712//money/

I have no idea where they are getting their data, but at the end of June (the last month they show data for) Ron Paul had over 3 million, not the 1.2 million that Political Base shows.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/summary.asp?id=N00005906&cycle=2008

Its interesting that this page doesn't have an edit button.

It's interesting how edits and issues are presented entirely by the unknown 'moderator' instead of actual users.

This site is looking a bit corrupt.

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ethan (63)
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posted 287 days, 15 hours, 14 minutes ago
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All issues are editable by any member of the site, just go to the actual page of the issue and you will see an edit button on the top right of the page. We also show who the top editors for the wiki pages are, so there are no hidden moderators.

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andy (30)
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posted 287 days, 14 hours, 35 minutes ago
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We get out money data directly from the FEC. You're correct that Ron Paul's money data seems to be incorrect. I took a quick look to try to figure out the cause. It appears there's a discrepancy at the FEC with Ron Paul's summary report , which shows what most consider an accurate $2,364,328.41 from individual contributions (box 17-A). However, the actual sum of the 2,454 individual contributions his campaign reported between 4/1/07 and 6/30/07 for the same 17-A box totals only $1,286,589. We've been using the sum of the individual contributions, which is why Ron Paul's total amount doesn't appear to be as high. To be honest, I'm not sure which is correct.

The money section is not editable by users because there's nothing really to edit. All the data is provided by the FEC -- we just slice and dice it in different ways for presentation. On the rest of the site, user's provide all of our content. You can see on any page who has edited the page.

Incidentally, do you work for Congresspedia? I saw you commented on one of the Digg articles pointing at our site.

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chowda (12)
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posted 287 days, 12 hours, 49 minutes ago
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For Q4 numbers on Ron Paul, check here:

http://ronpaulgraphs.com/index.html

He's the only candidate with transparent finance data like this.

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andy (30)
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posted 287 days, 11 hours, 13 minutes ago
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Chowda: We only import data directly from the FEC. There's no manual intervention involved in this process. We want to treat all candidates identically in our representation of their finances. Once the the campaigns submit the data to the FEC, we'll add it to the site.

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chowda (12)
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posted 287 days, 9 hours, 48 minutes ago
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I wasn't commenting on your process, I was just providing an additional source of on-topic data :)

That web site is graphing real-time Q4 fundraising data from the Ron Paul campaign.... among other things.

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argash (12)
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posted 287 days, 8 hours, 16 minutes ago
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Andy It looks like you recognize that their is a discrepancy, is their any way for you guys to fix the problem?

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dave (140)
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posted 287 days, 6 hours, 53 minutes ago
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argash says:

"Andy It looks like you recognize that their is a discrepancy, is their any way for you guys to fix the problem?"

FEC data for the latest quarter comes out next week (supposedly the 15th). We'll recalculate our data and see where the FEC ends up at that point. In general though, reporting of campaign finances seems sketchy at best.

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andy (30)
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posted 286 days, 19 hours, 11 minutes ago
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I talked with the FEC this morning -- they claim they use the numbers that the campaign sends to them. You'd think that they'd actually do some validation or something. Anyway, they referred us to the Ron Paul campaign directly. We put a call into the campaign and are awaiting a callback. We'll keep everyone up to date on this.

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argash (12)
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posted 286 days, 11 hours, 55 minutes ago
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Thanks Andy glad to know you guys are on the ball.

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309east (2)
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Nope I do not work for Congresspedia.

I just think they are a better site because the candidates views are not presented by an extremely biased "editor" like on this shady site.

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