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redking, Yes I am angry. And if you cannot see the connection between reparations (i.e. paying a fine for a crime you commited)and guilt then I don't know what else I can say. If any reperations are due, then EVERYONE

redking, Yes I am angry. And if you cannot see the connection between reparations (i.e. paying a fine for a crime you commited)and guilt then I don't know what else I can say.

If any reperations are due, then EVERYONE

I know the truth is harsh, and I ment to play on the stereotype. And it is my opinion that paying reparations is a superior paternalistic racist and condesending attitude to people who deserve to be treated as equals, not as sub human. I am educated in facts, not brainwashed like you would prefer apparently.

I know the truth is harsh, and I ment to play on the stereotype. And it is my opinion that paying reparations is a superior paternalistic racist and condesending attitude to people who deserve to be treated as equals, not as sub human.

I am educated in facts, not brainwashed like you would prefer apparently.

redking, Look guys, Why not lay it on the line honestly? Can honesty be handled in this thread? I think it can, the discussion is civilized so far. Even with peanut gallery egger on-er macintoshjosh. In my opinion, the only reason for reparations is that you must feel a non white person is a stupid child that has no responsibility for the slavery and the genocides they themselves have instituted and committed, and therefore needs to be taken care of by a superior paternal/maternal person- a white person like you. So under the guise of 'reparations' white people would give blacks an allowence, and housing, and health care (just like the plantation owner did) for all the hardship, so the carefree darkies can dance around the campfire at night eating watermellon and playing a banjo (hiphop)- but outside your gated community. And by the way- native North Americans captured and kept their own slaves and exterminated other native peoples too. And the Aztecs were murderous savages too with living sacrifices. So where are their reparations to the other native Americans they killed and enslaved? Where does it end? I think reparations is an example of manufacturing faux guilt- like the Duke University lynching party. For the life of me I do not understand why people want to assume our forefathers guilt and have our children and our children's children assume guilt and pay and pay for something no one alive never did and were never a part of. It is like blaming Hitler's children and grandchildren and great grandchildren for what Hitler did. But then again, Hitler was white.... And Ethan- the statement and conclusion about the 13 year old English girls being used up by 16 and thrown away by the 'Asians' (muslams)was written in an English paper and was made by the girls themselves (and the only thing I deduced and added was the reason was the white multiculturalists taught them that in school) the girls said and believed they and their parents were racist and so the girls had no self worth and hated themselves and their parents more than normal teen-agers do. So yes this belongs in the 'reparations' thread because this is part of the 'reparations payback' to white people that is happening.

redking, Look guys, Why not lay it on the line honestly? Can honesty be handled in this thread? I think it can, the discussion is civilized so far. Even with peanut gallery egger on-er macintoshjosh.

In my opinion, the only reason for reparations is that you must feel a non white person is a stupid child that has no responsibility for the slavery and the genocides they themselves have instituted and committed, and therefore needs to be taken care of by a superior paternal/maternal person- a white person like you.

So under the guise of 'reparations' white people would give blacks an allowence, and housing, and health care (just like the plantation owner did) for all the hardship, so the carefree darkies can dance around the campfire at night eating watermellon and playing a banjo (hiphop)- but outside your gated community.

And by the way- native North Americans captured and kept their own slaves and exterminated other native peoples too. And the Aztecs were murderous savages too with living sacrifices. So where are their reparations to the other native Americans they killed and enslaved?

Where does it end?

I think reparations is an example of manufacturing faux guilt- like the Duke University lynching party.

For the life of me I do not understand why people want to assume our forefathers guilt and have our children and our children's children assume guilt and pay and pay for something no one alive never did and were never a part of.

It is like blaming Hitler's children and grandchildren and great grandchildren for what Hitler did. But then again, Hitler was white....

And Ethan- the statement and conclusion about the 13 year old English girls being used up by 16 and thrown away by the 'Asians' (muslams)was written in an English paper and was made by the girls themselves (and the only thing I deduced and added was the reason was the white multiculturalists taught them that in school) the girls said and believed they and their parents were racist and so the girls had no self worth and hated themselves and their parents more than normal teen-agers do. So yes this belongs in the 'reparations' thread because this is part of the 'reparations payback' to white people that is happening.

Dear redking, If reparations are required then they should be paid by the people that enslaved the blacks that were brought to America. That is their own black brothers in Africa. Their brothers captured them. Stole their land. Stole their property. Killed their kin folk. Raped their wives. Then they sold them for a profit to foreigners. And the Hispanics had many more slaves and treated them much worse. So how come they are never targets? How come only white people are targets? How come their black brothers that enslaved them are never targets? And for a real racist comment- "If you believe that, as a white American, you're made to feel guilty for the history of racism in our country, you shouldn't (the only reason to feel guilty over racism is if you in fact are guilty)." There is no belief needed. It is like the sun comes up. It is a fact that white people are being made to feel guilty and pay for something that was started and continues to be practiced by people of color. I am innocent so why should I be made to feel guilt like you are trying to imbue? Just because of my skin color? Why do you excuse the people that enslaved them from even being considered racist? Is it because of their skin color? I never had a slave, my relatives never had a slave, this country was not founded by slaves and was not made great by slaves. And my ancestors fought to free the slaves. So we all ready paid with blood. And this sounds good but is a untrue: "This country's greatest asset is its capacity for change." This country's greatest asset is the culture that founded it, and that is being destroyed and replaced by cultures that founded other countries that are, in general, failures. I am glad you can see there is no better country than ours.

Dear redking, If reparations are required then they should be paid by the people that enslaved the blacks that were brought to America. That is their own black brothers in Africa. Their brothers captured them. Stole their land. Stole their property. Killed their kin folk. Raped their wives. Then they sold them for a profit to foreigners.

And the Hispanics had many more slaves and treated them much worse. So how come they are never targets? How come only white people are targets? How come their black brothers that enslaved them are never targets?

And for a real racist comment- "If you believe that, as a white American, you're made to feel guilty for the history of racism in our country, you shouldn't (the only reason to feel guilty over racism is if you in fact are guilty)."

There is no belief needed. It is like the sun comes up. It is a fact that white people are being made to feel guilty and pay for something that was started and continues to be practiced by people of color.

I am innocent so why should I be made to feel guilt like you are trying to imbue? Just because of my skin color?

Why do you excuse the people that enslaved them from even being considered racist? Is it because of their skin color?

I never had a slave, my relatives never had a slave, this country was not founded by slaves and was not made great by slaves. And my ancestors fought to free the slaves. So we all ready paid with blood.

And this sounds good but is a untrue: "This country's greatest asset is its capacity for change." This country's greatest asset is the culture that founded it, and that is being destroyed and replaced by cultures that founded other countries that are, in general, failures.

I am glad you can see there is no better country than ours.

Dear joshmcintosh, it has been a civilized dialog. Freedom Fries? I always liked the French, they are French and they are friends. Friends do some things I disagree with sometimes. So I don't know about Friends, but I'll try. I noticed you gave me no country to move to that was better, or any culture that you think is better. It is good to be good and help people and that is what we as a nation have done. We are not perfect. But we ARE better. I know you love America. But you need to not destroy what you love. And with all the 'hate America' and 'hate whitey' -- America is being destroyed. There is no other country in the world where more people have more freedom and more equality and a higher standard of living than America. And this is regardless of color and nationality. And Americans did it. And it was white Americans. But we share freely. But America can be destroyed. It must be preserved and protected. White people settled in Mexico and South America and the lands of 'hispania' and these lands have the same abundant resources we have and yet their culture did not bring freedom to the world, not even their own countries, like American culture has. So when you trash talk America, remember it is like trash talking your wife or children. Who can love them when you don't? How can they even love themselves? And for a sidebar note: white girls in England have been so brutalized by the national and international hate whitey multicultural campaign that they have internalized the hate and are prostituting themselves at 13 years old to 'Asians' [Pakistan] because they have been brought up to have such a low level of self worth and to hate the color of their skin and to hate their English parents. It is very sad when children are brought up to hate themselves. And it is even sadder because the nation itself is teaching its own children to hate themselves and their country. Just like America is doing. Read the textbooks American children have. My kid's geometry book teaches the 5 pillars of Islam before it teaches what a point is and a line is. It teaches what wonderful symetrical architecture that Islam has and how distorted Christian architecture is. It teaches nothing about the slaves that built the muslam buildings. My kid's American literature book teaches hispanic South American literature more than English literature becuause it is 'American.' My kid's American history book teaches the five pillars of Islam before it talks about Columbus discovering America using 'Islamic' technology. And it says the only reason America was founded as a nation was to make and keep slaves and to keep women down. It says that within 1 year of discovering America that Columbus had perfected the plantation system and the slave trade. No mention that the slaves were all ready captured like wild animals and sold like wild animals by their own brothers to get them out of the country so that their own brothers could steal their property in Africa and in addition make money selling their own brothers. So enough of all this. Time to relax and stop the hate whitey and hate America campaign, because there is no better place and no freer culture. Why the institutionalized hate? Do you want to live under the rules the peons live in Hispania (any South American country) or do you want to live under Islamic sharia law where they stone women to death and have honor killings and cut off the heads of infidels? Or do you want to live in Myanmar (Burma) or China? Or do you want to live under American ideals and laws, however imperfect they are? Remember, Mexicans made Mexico- they did not make America. So keep Mexican values and laws in Mexico. Mexican values and culture have made it so that 20% of Mexicans live on less than $2 a day and 5% on less than a dollar a day. If a person wants to live under Mexican values and laws, move to Mexico. Do not import Mexican values and laws to America like Bush is doing.

Dear joshmcintosh, it has been a civilized dialog. Freedom Fries? I always liked the French, they are French and they are friends. Friends do some things I disagree with sometimes.

So I don't know about Friends, but I'll try.

I noticed you gave me no country to move to that was better, or any culture that you think is better.

It is good to be good and help people and that is what we as a nation have done. We are not perfect. But we ARE better.

I know you love America. But you need to not destroy what you love. And with all the 'hate America' and 'hate whitey' -- America is being destroyed.

There is no other country in the world where more people have more freedom and more equality and a higher standard of living than America. And this is regardless of color and nationality.

And Americans did it. And it was white Americans. But we share freely.

But America can be destroyed. It must be preserved and protected.

White people settled in Mexico and South America and the lands of 'hispania' and these lands have the same abundant resources we have and yet their culture did not bring freedom to the world, not even their own countries, like American culture has.

So when you trash talk America, remember it is like trash talking your wife or children. Who can love them when you don't? How can they even love themselves?

And for a sidebar note: white girls in England have been so brutalized by the national and international hate whitey multicultural campaign that they have internalized the hate and are prostituting themselves at 13 years old to 'Asians' [Pakistan] because they have been brought up to have such a low level of self worth and to hate the color of their skin and to hate their English parents.

It is very sad when children are brought up to hate themselves. And it is even sadder because the nation itself is teaching its own children to hate themselves and their country.

Just like America is doing. Read the textbooks American children have.

My kid's geometry book teaches the 5 pillars of Islam before it teaches what a point is and a line is. It teaches what wonderful symetrical architecture that Islam has and how distorted Christian architecture is. It teaches nothing about the slaves that built the muslam buildings.

My kid's American literature book teaches hispanic South American literature more than English literature becuause it is 'American.'

My kid's American history book teaches the five pillars of Islam before it talks about Columbus discovering America using 'Islamic' technology.

And it says the only reason America was founded as a nation was to make and keep slaves and to keep women down. It says that within 1 year of discovering America that Columbus had perfected the plantation system and the slave trade. No mention that the slaves were all ready captured like wild animals and sold like wild animals by their own brothers to get them out of the country so that their own brothers could steal their property in Africa and in addition make money selling their own brothers.

So enough of all this.

Time to relax and stop the hate whitey and hate America campaign, because there is no better place and no freer culture.

Why the institutionalized hate?

Do you want to live under the rules the peons live in Hispania (any South American country) or do you want to live under Islamic sharia law where they stone women to death and have honor killings and cut off the heads of infidels? Or do you want to live in Myanmar (Burma) or China?

Or do you want to live under American ideals and laws, however imperfect they are?

Remember, Mexicans made Mexico- they did not make America. So keep Mexican values and laws in Mexico. Mexican values and culture have made it so that 20% of Mexicans live on less than $2 a day and 5% on less than a dollar a day. If a person wants to live under Mexican values and laws, move to Mexico. Do not import Mexican values and laws to America like Bush is doing.

Josh, I would suggest that the Africans that enslaved their brother Africans hundreds of years ago should be the ones that pay reparations. Not the ones that bought them and freed them. And the people that continue to enslave their brothers and fellow humans should be the ones that feel ashamed and should pay reperations. Not me. Not you. Civilization- if you consider civilization to consist of people that use horses and wagons and captured and used people as slaves, then no we did not invent that. We went beyond that and eliminated slavey. So yes we advanced civilization. We invented non slavery. We abolished slavery. And if your white ancestors had not invented almost everything you would not have this soap box from which to put out your (as you said earlier) crap. You would be toiling in the fields subsisting and starving- unless you were a slave owner and master. And as you, I am white because my parents were white. And I am not ashamed of it like you are. If you think other people are better and other countries and other "civilizations" than America, please let me know which you believe is superior.

Josh, I would suggest that the Africans that enslaved their brother Africans hundreds of years ago should be the ones that pay reparations. Not the ones that bought them and freed them. And the people that continue to enslave their brothers and fellow humans should be the ones that feel ashamed and should pay reperations. Not me. Not you.

Civilization- if you consider civilization to consist of people that use horses and wagons and captured and used people as slaves, then no we did not invent that. We went beyond that and eliminated slavey. So yes we advanced civilization.

We invented non slavery. We abolished slavery. And if your white ancestors had not invented almost everything you would not have this soap box from which to put out your (as you said earlier) crap. You would be toiling in the fields subsisting and starving- unless you were a slave owner and master.

And as you, I am white because my parents were white. And I am not ashamed of it like you are.

If you think other people are better and other countries and other "civilizations" than America, please let me know which you believe is superior.

A moron is a person who is notably stupid or lacking in good judgment. Judgement- the ability to judge, make a decision, or form an opinion objectively, authoritatively, and wisely, esp. in matters affecting action; good sense; discretion: a man of sound judgment. You lack judmement, joshmcintosh. You cannot form an opinion objectively or wisely, as do most of the people on this forum. You did not refute the fact that blacks are capturing and selling blacks right now as slaves in Africa. And have been doing it since before Christopher Columbus. Where are the reparations to their black brothers? You did not refute the fact muslams took 1 million Christians as slaves and killed most of them. Where are the reparations to the Christians? You did not refute the fact that 4 slave holding states fought on the side of the north. So the war was not only about slavery because Lincoln did not free the northern slaves it was about other issues and was conflated with slavery as an excuse. Because you have no facts you resort to denigration. Because you have no judgement, you go around calling people names. Yes, I am proud to be white. White people freed the slaves. It's too bad you are ashamed to be white. It was your forefathers that freed the slaves and invented almost everything in the world. So why are you ashamed? Blacks still have not freed their slaves, and muslams still have not freed their slaves. So why are you ashamed of a proud heritage?

A moron is a person who is notably stupid or lacking in good judgment. Judgement- the ability to judge, make a decision, or form an opinion objectively, authoritatively, and wisely, esp. in matters affecting action; good sense; discretion: a man of sound judgment.

You lack judmement, joshmcintosh. You cannot form an opinion objectively or wisely, as do most of the people on this forum.

You did not refute the fact that blacks are capturing and selling blacks right now as slaves in Africa. And have been doing it since before Christopher Columbus. Where are the reparations to their black brothers?

You did not refute the fact muslams took 1 million Christians as slaves and killed most of them. Where are the reparations to the Christians?

You did not refute the fact that 4 slave holding states fought on the side of the north. So the war was not only about slavery because Lincoln did not free the northern slaves it was about other issues and was conflated with slavery as an excuse.

Because you have no facts you resort to denigration. Because you have no judgement, you go around calling people names. Yes, I am proud to be white. White people freed the slaves. It's too bad you are ashamed to be white. It was your forefathers that freed the slaves and invented almost everything in the world. So why are you ashamed? Blacks still have not freed their slaves, and muslams still have not freed their slaves. So why are you ashamed of a proud heritage?

Who is the black that started the movement? By 1783, an anti-slavery movement was beginning among the British public. That year the first English abolitionist organization was founded by a group of Quakers. and to the person who said: "I think there are better ways to express your opinions than "we freed them." That language reeks of racial superiority." If Americans are not superior, then why can you can still buy slaves in Africa for a few hundred dollars? Two American blacks went over there a few years ago and bought 2- one for $200 and one for $500 and freed them. So why are Americans not superior??? and "nevertheless, there were native-born Scottish serfs until 1799, when coal miners previously kept in serfdom gained emancipation)" so, white people were slaves in England Serf- a condition of bondage or modified slavery seen primarily during the Middle Ages in Europe. and The Union had 4 slave holding states fighting on its side against the South. So how could the Civil War have been against slavery? And Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation only freed the slaves in the Confederacy which he had no control over, not in the North. And what about the Muslims who took a million Christians and other people as Slaves. When are they going to pay compensation to Christians? A friend in Saudi Arabia in 1968 was offered $25,000 to sell his 12 year old virgin daughter by an SA. And SA 'abolished slavery' in 1965. And 2 SAs were sentenced in the last 5 years to jail in the US for keeping slaves in the US, and their wives defended them as it being Islamic. So stop the racism and Europhobia against white people.

Who is the black that started the movement? By 1783, an anti-slavery movement was beginning among the British public. That year the first English abolitionist organization was founded by a group of Quakers.

and to the person who said: "I think there are better ways to express your opinions than "we freed them." That language reeks of racial superiority." If Americans are not superior, then why can you can still buy slaves in Africa for a few hundred dollars? Two American blacks went over there a few years ago and bought 2- one for $200 and one for $500 and freed them. So why are Americans not superior???

and "nevertheless, there were native-born Scottish serfs until 1799, when coal miners previously kept in serfdom gained emancipation)" so, white people were slaves in England Serf- a condition of bondage or modified slavery seen primarily during the Middle Ages in Europe.

and The Union had 4 slave holding states fighting on its side against the South. So how could the Civil War have been against slavery?

And Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation only freed the slaves in the Confederacy which he had no control over, not in the North.

And what about the Muslims who took a million Christians and other people as Slaves. When are they going to pay compensation to Christians? A friend in Saudi Arabia in 1968 was offered $25,000 to sell his 12 year old virgin daughter by an SA. And SA 'abolished slavery' in 1965. And 2 SAs were sentenced in the last 5 years to jail in the US for keeping slaves in the US, and their wives defended them as it being Islamic.

So stop the racism and Europhobia against white people.

"We" are Americans. America freed the slaves. America enslaved no one. The humans were all bought as slaves from their black brothers who captured them and sold them. No American went into the jungles and hunted down people to put into bondage. You can still buy a slave in Africa and other nations. So America freed the slaves. Up until 1965 it was in their law and legal to have slaves in Saudi Arabia. Under American pressure, they revised their law. But, their mindset is such that in recent years two Saudi's have been sentenced to jail in the US for keeping slaves in the US- and their multiple wives defend their husbands saying it is the way of their religion.

"We" are Americans. America freed the slaves. America enslaved no one. The humans were all bought as slaves from their black brothers who captured them and sold them. No American went into the jungles and hunted down people to put into bondage. You can still buy a slave in Africa and other nations. So America freed the slaves. Up until 1965 it was in their law and legal to have slaves in Saudi Arabia. Under American pressure, they revised their law. But, their mindset is such that in recent years two Saudi's have been sentenced to jail in the US for keeping slaves in the US- and their multiple wives defend their husbands saying it is the way of their religion.