shawninMo

Nader killed the Corvair which lead to datsun getting a hold in the american auto industry, they later changed there name to nissan. thats why i dont like him plus he damaged gores shot, hes a spoiler if he wanted a real party line he wouldnt petition the ballot every year like a lazy do-how.

about obama i guess well have to wait and see..

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/money/tax/article1996735.ece

I myself am a gun owner and come from a family where guns were commonplace - I grew up in rural Ohio and guns were a part of everyday life for me. . .Although I do think that all citizens should be able to own guns. . .I do think that this is an issue where SOME compromise could help out a lot! Seeing how the Constitution DOES NOT SPECIFICALLY STATE WHICH TYPE OF "ARMS”. .SOME PEOPLE COULD TAKE THIS TO MEAN ANTI-TANK MISSLES, HAND GRENADES, LAND MINES, AND HEAVY MACHINE GUNS. . .The need to "restrict" some gun ownership in cities could really help cut down on the tens of thousands of homicides committed by guns each year. Can you answer this . . . WHY ON EARTH . . . DOES SOMEONE NEED AN ASSAULT RIFLE THAT HOLDS 50 ROUNDS? WITHOUT A SPECIAL PERMIT OR LICENSE? WHAT DO YOU USE A GUN LIKE THAT FOR? IT HAS ONLY ONE PURPOSE . . . TO ASSAULT!
Surely, you do not think that we should take the assertion of the 2nd amendment as a black and white fact? We need to understand what the reasoning behind the 2nd amendment was. The framers were incredibly fearful of future governments taking too much control over individual rights. They felt that an armed citizenry would be less susceptible to take-over by a corrupt government -But another fear they had was a fear of large, federalized, standing armies!
Since so many people want to point to the Constitution and claim that it GIVES THEM ABSOLUTE RIGHTS . . . Let’s put the issue in the context that it should be . . . are we going to use out guns for an overthrow? Is the fact that we have millions of guns in this nation protecting our Constitution? Today, our military and government has become so big, so powerful and so removed from the control of the people that the point of having guns to combat government corruption is absolutely laughable.

Anyway . . . that is not the real point.

The real point is that we should analyze what has happened to our nation. . .and direct our outrage where it needs to be. I know it is easy to point to left-wing crack-pot groups like the ACLU (who have also done some good) and claim that the "liberals" are trying to destroy the Constitution . . . but what about the other parts of the Constitution? What about the other parts that have been weakened and disregarded?

I understand the "slippery slope" arguments on the 2nd amendment. . .that if they come for the assault weapons now. . .then they will come for the handguns next and then the shotguns. . .and so on. And I do understand this sentiment. . .and tend to share your concern for this expansion of power. But lets think about this for a second. . .

I would submit to you that the violations of the 4th amendment that we have witnessed lately are FAR SCARIER AND MORE WORRIESOME than any we have seen against the 2nd amendment. Although I am sure (by your profile) that you supported Bush. . .you must agree that the right to a trial by jury and the right to see the evidence the government has against you - so you can prepare a defense is CENTRAL AND CRITIAL TO ANY FAIR AND FREE NATION!
You would expect no less if you were accused of a crime . . . right? Do you think it acceptable of a nation that claims to uphold "truth, justice, and freedom" to hold a person without charge for 5 years . . Or to have a trial for an accused person . . . without a jury . . . and without giving the person the right to legal representation? Recently, the most common argument in favor of our “detainee policy” is that "these people are terrorists . . . and they are not U.S. citizens". But the Constitution makes no mention of "rights for American Citizens ONLY” Furthermore . . . how do you know who we are holding or where we are holding them? For people who seem to mistrust government so much . . . this argument seems to be awfully forgiving and trustful on this . . . the most important issue!

Does it not bother you that our government will not allow us to know who these people are or in many instances where we are holding them. It has been confirmed by many international organizations (including the Red Cross) that the CIA is currently running "secret" prisons all over the world. . .We have no idea who these people are. . .why they are being held. . .or what they are charged with! This seems like an awful lot of "trust" to put into our CIA! NO? Many of these people have not been, and many probably never will be. I submit to you that without the right to know what you are accused of and the right to have legal representation . . . all other rights are pointless! Those guns that you are defending so vigorously are going to be of little use to you if you are being held without charge. The right to vote isnt much good either. . .the right of free speech isn’t any good if no one can hear you. . .and the right to a free press and a to assemble . . .I think you get the picture!

Do you see my point? Where is your outrage on this? I do not doubt that you LOVE your nation . . . assuredly as much as I do . . . but if you are not concerned about the violations that the Bush administration have committed in the name of "freedom". . . than your outrage over the 2nd amendment seems to be a little hollow. Bush has claimed for years that the "terrorists" hate us for our freedom . . . but how can he say this? We have shown the world that we value TRUE freedom very little. We have shown the world that we only care about the human rights of those who agree with us and that we only care about the Geneva Conventions against torture when it is our own American soldiers. I truly hope we never, ever get into a war where we have tens of thousands of American POW's - like we did in WWII. . .If other nations treat our captives. . .like we have treated some of ours. . .get ready to be TRULY OUTRAGED!

One final thought . . . the "great writ" of habeas-corpus is not some idea that American came up with and we do not own a monopoly on it . . . this was a concept upon which our ideals of freedom and justice were built. An idea THAT ALL MEN, regardless of age, class, race, sex, sexual orientation, or religion have the right to know their accusers and to be presented with the evidence against them. By violating this . . . we have shown that our "foundation of freedom and justice for all" is a sham! We need to rebuild our reputation and realize that this "go it alone", "we have a monopoly on the truth" attitude is self-defeating. It has been said that "imitation is the greatest form of flattery" . . .let us hope. . .that for out sake. . .the world has not been paying attention to what we have been doing for the last 8 years!

Benjamin Franklin once said that "Those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither" - While I can see your point that sacrificing our rights to own guns is a violation of our freedom . . .I think we have bigger, more pressing issues to debate this year! If we allow the destruction of the 4th amendment to go without challenge. . .you do not have any right to complain when they lock you up and hold you without representation for keeping your guns. . .(as you seem to worry they are going to do)

DNA, so science is used when its convenient to make a point, but creationism reigns when it's the other way, just curious. I still believe life begins when the breath of life enters, period, sorry about the verse, I'm referring to the one thereabouts that speaks about the breath of life and I'm just too lazy to go find it right now, I guess 6 is about the sons of god and the daughters of men, whoops. I personally do not approve of abortion, but that's my opinion and between me and God, I don't think I have the right to decide for anyone else what there relationship is. I have lived through the times when it was illegal and seen a lot of horrors, and from "good christian" people too, not just liberals. A person who has been broken should never be placed in a stressful leadership position, that's my point, it's not a moral judgement. Leaders generally have a higher tolerance. And no, please, don't torture me, I'd give in in about one minute, unless it had something to do with the safety of my children, but I'm not running for office. My job is just to desiminate the obvious and understand whats going on; and then to act according to my conscience, that little voice.

Gerw, First off, banning guns in large cities HASN'T curbed crime. That was a major point of this posting. Assault weapons, you don't get rid of an opressive govt. by sitting in your living room watching desperate housewives. You assault it. Your .22 squirrel rifle won't come in too handy for that task.

I would venture a guess that 240 million armed citizens could stand up to a 2 million man army. But, I doubt there would be 2 million since alot in the military would leave instead of attacking American citizens with their tanks and aircraft. Especially if they had those bazookas you afore mentioned.

Not everyone is covered by the constitution. If they were, we wouldn't need the geneva convention. All those Japanese, German, and Italian pows were not afforded trials durring the second world war. And yes, I know they fought in uniforms. We know what happened to the ones who fought in civilian clothing, they were shot as spies. I guess we could do that instead of holding them in Cuba. Oops, I hope I just didn't blow the cover of one of those secret prisons. I love how on the one hand the govt. doesn't tell us anything, but at the same time you know everything going on in these prisons when it comes to torture, etc.

As far as needing to know everything about everything going on, I offer you this. In 2002, congress was briefed on the hunt for bin Laden. Afterward, a congressman came out and blurted to the media that we were tracking bin Laden through his phone. All of his calls by phone stopped immediately. We had just lost our best tool for tracking him. For good or bad, some secrets need to be kept until it is all over.

By all means, we need to discuss how the constitution is being circumvented(ie activist judges) and distorted to fit our desires(roe v wade). It sounds like you might have the passion to start just such a discussion. I would be happy to chime in when you get it posted.

ur a fucking joke stop commenting my wall were not even FRIENDS stop talking to me u loser.

obama 08 (if ur not brainwashed by right wing propaganda)

I'm from connecticut u better have damn good turkey

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Meaning we have the right to bear arms in reaction to confrontation threatening the state. But conservatives love to twist it into 'the universal right to bear arms'

I must concede that the second amendment is written very very vague. But i was just pointing out that groups like the NRA need to tone it down, cuz they are paraphrasing.